tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post1461706507313263705..comments2024-03-04T06:12:38.695+13:00Comments on Photo-Sleuth: Sepia Saturday 73: An early daguerreotype of a Derby couple?Brett Paynehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07706734864792449845noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-60481902570009609332011-05-09T08:41:08.040+12:002011-05-09T08:41:08.040+12:00So rich in history of early portraiture of the pho...So rich in history of early portraiture of the photographic variety!Merihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07024443046207501650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-22157280916361685502011-05-09T01:40:20.607+12:002011-05-09T01:40:20.607+12:00As always what a great informative Sepia post! Wel...As always what a great informative Sepia post! Well done! That first photo has the richest of colors, must have been a good piece of metal, (that's what they used isn't it) whatever it is very striking as is your entire post! Thanks!21 Witshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00071361755673253230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-67334944264347594892011-05-08T20:00:02.572+12:002011-05-08T20:00:02.572+12:00That is a wonderful picture and the thing which st...That is a wonderful picture and the thing which stands out about it is the care and effort which must have gone into the taking and the processing of it (a care and attention which matches your usual exemplary research and presentation skills) Anything but "point and shoot"Alan Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01015127443616786425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-25553872556806190662011-05-08T14:35:54.434+12:002011-05-08T14:35:54.434+12:00I must come back and really spend tome absorbing a...I must come back and really spend tome absorbing all the information you have here today. This is a wonderful post and worth more pondering. I am amazed at the life like resemblance in this very old portrait, daguerrotype; the tinting is so different. You did a super job today sharing this.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09093078029028920810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-80248776717159380372011-05-08T10:39:27.071+12:002011-05-08T10:39:27.071+12:00Excellent post! Such great information. I'm vo...Excellent post! Such great information. I'm voting for Sarah and Bill to be the subjects of this photo. I cannot base that on anything other than intuition though so I cannot add to your already fascinating info.MuseSwingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11999288873532715380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-15256490845131786602011-05-08T09:42:27.731+12:002011-05-08T09:42:27.731+12:00Thanks everybody. I'm glad to hear others enj...Thanks everybody. I'm glad to hear others enjoy it as much as I have.<br /><br />Howard & Mike B - I have to give credit to David Lamb for the scanning. I had nothing to do with it.<br /><br />Barbara - Yes, I agree it's rather unusual and why I had to include the image, since, apart from showing that it's copper, and perhaps betraying the fingerprint of somebody, there's not much alse you can tell from it.<br /><br />whowerethey - Thanks for your insight into women's fashions.<br /><br />whowerethey & Mike - I agree that the chin beard, perhaps a little unusual in early Victorian England, suggests to me some non-Conformist religion, perhaps Quaker or Wesleyan Methodist? I did discover during my research that other members of this family had their children baptised at the King Street Wesleyan church/chapel in Derby, so it's quite possible the HOLMES family were connected with it too.<br /><br />Kristin - I don't think she's holding anything apart from the book/bible. The other hand is placed on her sleeve, with a bit of lace poking out from under, and then there is a slight blemish on the plate which may confuse matters a little. I hesitated to say right and left hands, because the image, like all daguerreotypes, is reversed.<br /><br />Rosie - I had come to the same conclusion. It can't be a photo album, as is commonly seen in cartes de visite, because they were invented later, for albumen prints and then CDVs. The gold embellishment has been placed there to highlight what was already being displayed prominently. I think it's a conscious and definite statement of piety.Brett Paynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07706734864792449845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-35691252680142401282011-05-08T07:17:46.412+12:002011-05-08T07:17:46.412+12:00I wonder if that is a bible she is holding with &q...I wonder if that is a bible she is holding with "fingerless gloves" Those are worn nowadays with French Maid costumes.......my, how styles change!!Rosiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06015301472659256675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-87028979219276838042011-05-08T01:02:13.873+12:002011-05-08T01:02:13.873+12:00A beautiful photograph that must have been just as...A beautiful photograph that must have been just as amazing to the couple as to us time travelers of the future. So like a painted portrait but more lifelike and cheaper!<br /><br />I also think that the gentleman's hair and beard styles may signify more of his position, class, and religion than our modern eyes can see. Not Mormon, but perhaps not Anglican either. I've started my own digital scrapbook of men's hair styles in order to help with such dating. <br /><br />How did you get such a good digital image? I've not succeeded in scanning Tintypes, etc without distortion and silvering discoloration.Mike Brubakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13065245846262417519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-85320536595929105562011-05-07T15:28:47.100+12:002011-05-07T15:28:47.100+12:00That is a great picture. They both look quite rela...That is a great picture. They both look quite relaxed and with the tinting, quite real.Postcardyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16399915833682943432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-11435203794869492542011-05-07T13:08:16.921+12:002011-05-07T13:08:16.921+12:00what is she holding? a backscratcher?what is she holding? a backscratcher?Kristinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06413795611563683135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-27253312258422460672011-05-07T12:52:05.818+12:002011-05-07T12:52:05.818+12:00Brett, are you related to Sherlock Holmes? Truly a...Brett, are you related to Sherlock Holmes? Truly amazing sleuthing and a beautiful photo. The hairstyle is very intriguing to me too.Christine H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09786732494496282743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-28337800751261793832011-05-07T11:22:20.117+12:002011-05-07T11:22:20.117+12:00Going back to this, the gentleman looks "Morm...Going back to this, the gentleman looks "Mormon" to me, meaning he looks a lot like the men who joined the Mormon religion and westward trek in the 1840s and 50s. Very interesting again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-47722030555458213432011-05-07T11:20:59.013+12:002011-05-07T11:20:59.013+12:00Brett this is again a fantastic post with lots of ...Brett this is again a fantastic post with lots of great information! I can tell you that women's fashions in England were a bit ahead of the US, and in the US that type of shoulder embellishment was popular in the 1850s and again in the 1860s. The hairstyle is interesting to me too. The general look for hair from 1850-1865 was to give the face a very round look. This photo does seem to do so, but usually the hair is smoothed down rather than popping out. Great image though and causes me to think about what I know about fashion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-17016609148504859582011-05-07T10:49:24.696+12:002011-05-07T10:49:24.696+12:00A lot of interesting information but what I really...A lot of interesting information but what I really love is the absolutely beautiful abstract painting on the back of the copper. It's worth blowing up, printing and framing it.<br />BarbaraNorth County Film Clubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13683794164957833415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-17415951742642882632011-05-07T10:34:27.015+12:002011-05-07T10:34:27.015+12:00the dainty painting of the faces is so realistic. ...the dainty painting of the faces is so realistic. You can almost reach out and touch her skin. The retoucher/photographer must have been a real artist.<br />Wonderful post - full of great information.<br />Nancy<br />Ladies of the GroveNorth County Film Clubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13683794164957833415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-86711031420608599942011-05-07T09:20:58.514+12:002011-05-07T09:20:58.514+12:00Fascinating and informative. Its not easy taking a...Fascinating and informative. Its not easy taking a photo of, or scanning a daguerrotype either! well done.Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07556727166267551805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-13520611375321556492011-05-07T06:00:04.034+12:002011-05-07T06:00:04.034+12:00What wonderful post. It's great to learn somet...What wonderful post. It's great to learn something new, when viewing a blog and now I have an inkling about daguerrotypes. I agree about the composition too, very realistic.Little Nellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11862657943846727987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-80904452891646368692011-05-07T01:31:41.378+12:002011-05-07T01:31:41.378+12:00what a fantastic and informitive post Brett. The f...what a fantastic and informitive post Brett. The first photo is striking, you feel like you could reach out an touch them, not like a photo at all but more like they are sitting right there in front of you. Again I have learned so much from your post.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09868602300924756450noreply@blogger.com