tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post6168760081924385040..comments2024-03-04T06:12:38.695+13:00Comments on Photo-Sleuth: Sepia Saturday 164 : Wedding group protocolsBrett Paynehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07706734864792449845noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-44692207676259546962013-02-18T18:58:13.928+13:002013-02-18T18:58:13.928+13:00T+L - Oh dear, that's sad, on nmore than one c...T+L - Oh dear, that's sad, on nmore than one count, but I don't think you can be held responsible either.Brett Paynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07706734864792449845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-50043778947380165202013-02-18T18:20:15.283+13:002013-02-18T18:20:15.283+13:00When I was in college my college friend got marrie...When I was in college my college friend got married. They did not have money for a fancy photographer so she asked me to do it. Well, all I can say is the marriage did not last. I've seen the photos. I took them. I cannot be held responsible, but I think they'd have been better off with no photos than with what I took.Tattered and Losthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00208918251232477186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-79832239236489336822013-02-18T14:27:25.489+13:002013-02-18T14:27:25.489+13:00Boobook - ... and that will have kept you busy for...Boobook - ... and that will have kept you busy for a while, I'm sure.<br /><br />Mike Brubaker - Certainly the white dresses worn by the brides developed as a result of Victoria and her daughters using that colour, and I suspect many aspects of the wedding day conventions also followed suit. Interesting what you say about signing the register - you mentioned it previously in response to a photo that I included here on Photo-Sleuth of someone doing just that (<a href="http://photo-sleuth.blogspot.co.nz/2012/08/sepia-saturday-140-two-weddings-and.html" rel="nofollow">SS 140</a>).<br /><br />Postcardy - Thanks, I didn't either, but that goes for many photos. If you look at them for long enough, eventually you'll find something of interest.<br /><br />Kathy M. - I'll admit that I hadn't spent much time thinking about the flowers ... a topic for yet another post, perhaps, although best left for someone who knows more about such things.<br /><br />Little Nell - Yes, I do remember that one, nd possibly I even had it in mind when I wrote this.<br /><br />Bob & Helen - That's interesting, perhaps the photographer had to balance the family pecking order and height/balance requirements.<br /><br />Wendy - I get the impression that's the norm, but there are many varieties on the theme, and few can be split exactly down the middle like that.<br /><br />Nancy & Barbara - It is an odd feature of the photograph, and I can't give you much of an answer about the "ape." I haven't seen the original, and the identities of the the members of the group are unknown anyway.<br /><br />Titania - Well spotted, I hadn't noticed that.<br /><br />Hazel - Ha ha, well I'm guessing it would depend on the vagaries of the pwerson conducting the ceremony.<br /><br />Jackie - I have been to weddings where there were disposable cameras on every table, and people just took whatever photos they wanted and left the camera there for the happy couple to have printed and enjoy later. At my nephew's wedding a few years ago, they had a proper photobooth there, and everyone could have their photos taken for free - a wonderful idea.<br /><br />Mike Burnett - Yes, that has been my experience too, less formality in recent times, although the basic structure is still there. I must admit I have't seen T-shirts and dirty jeans ... yet.<br /><br />Bruno - He lost his head after the bride ran away with the best man ... who knows.<br /><br />Joan - Yes, that's a mammoth task and one where you have to decide on a system to begin with, stick to it once you've started, and then finish the job.Brett Paynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07706734864792449845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-78387830491278435352013-02-18T14:05:55.231+13:002013-02-18T14:05:55.231+13:00Peter - I'm glad you enjoyed the article and t...Peter - I'm glad you enjoyed the article and that it was of some use.<br /><br />Yes, I think it is a possibilty that the stamped date on the back is that of the developing/printing, as I've certainly seen month-year dates on amateur prints from the 1950s and 1960s, signifying the print date at a commercial lab, who couldn't be expected to know the date the photo was taken.<br /><br />However, the country-wide Jerome studios took these portraits themselves, and all branches used these date stamps. What would be the purpose of having an exact date of development? There would, hoewever, be a good reason to have the date of the sitting, as when the customer returned to collect the prints, they could easily be referenced.<br /><br />You could well be right, but in my view the Jerome's dates are more likely to be of the sitting.Brett Paynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07706734864792449845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-84078581936751370342013-02-18T13:36:22.018+13:002013-02-18T13:36:22.018+13:00Interesting and an eye-opener for me. I first thou...Interesting and an eye-opener for me. I first thought -- I dinna have any wedding photos. Upon review, there are a number of weddings in my archives. Now what I need to attend to is doing a better job of archiving my photos -- I have an archaic system of my own devising (OMG)which as resulted in a plethora of duplicates. Guidanc? Anyone?<br />Joanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07948553013206247354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-68468149289138778622013-02-17T22:29:23.369+13:002013-02-17T22:29:23.369+13:00So, if I follow your list of rules here, I suppose...So, if I follow your list of rules here, I supposed that, in the "c. 1864-1866 Carte de visite by John Burton & Sons of Derby", it could be the groom's father, this seated figure, that lost his head. I wonder what happened that he'd deserve that fate. Or is it just a printing defect?<br />:)~ <br />HUGZBruno Lalibertéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09607511642101907283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-43618209479316566362013-02-17T07:22:33.965+13:002013-02-17T07:22:33.965+13:00When I first looked at the 4th photo, I wondered w...When I first looked at the 4th photo, I wondered who invited the ape. Then looked closely and saw that it was a drawn on beard(?) Maybe it was an ex-boyfriend that got invited by mistake. I guess we'll never know.<br /><br />Very interesting and informative post<br />BarbaraNorth County Film Clubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13683794164957833415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-57677785850365324362013-02-17T00:16:35.666+13:002013-02-17T00:16:35.666+13:00There used to be set out, almost, by formula. Nowa...There used to be set out, almost, by formula. Nowadays it is a jumble with the wedding couple somewhere in the middle.<br /><br />In old photos every one seems to be in the best outfits, nowadays your just as likely to see trainers (dirty) jeans (un-ironed) and T-Shirts (Dribbled)as you are collar and tie.<br /><br />Lack of standards or am I a snob?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01378637587289025611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-84080243160274857212013-02-16T22:08:49.583+13:002013-02-16T22:08:49.583+13:00Really interesting post - I'm off to look at a...Really interesting post - I'm off to look at all the wedding photos I have with fresh eyes.<br />We didn't have a wedding photographer as such, we had a farm picnic wedding and asked all our friends to give us copies of all their photos. I also took about 4 rolls of film. This should confuse people in years to come - a real hotchpotch of a wedding album!Jackie van Bergenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14108390437411946657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-31420970115836166942013-02-16T21:56:25.763+13:002013-02-16T21:56:25.763+13:00In double weddings, do they say "I do" t...In double weddings, do they say "I do" together or one by one?Hazelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07866700983578714993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-56550100395660926452013-02-16T21:30:16.619+13:002013-02-16T21:30:16.619+13:00Nancy - I thought of you when I posted that first ...Nancy - I thought of you when I posted that first photo, and your request for the bathroom in the middle of the ceremony. I'd be interested to hear your daughter's comments on the conventions of today. Yes the scratched out face actually appears to have the surface emulsion removed as well - who knows why.Brett Paynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07706734864792449845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-25751980422860867752013-02-16T18:34:18.814+13:002013-02-16T18:34:18.814+13:00Firstly love all the old wedding photographs, it s...Firstly love all the old wedding photographs, it shows so well the traditions families adhere to. I am amazed at the two Mothers wearing the same dress, I wonder why, I have never seen this. I thoroughly enjoyed your grand collection of wedding photography.Lavender and Vanilla Friends of the Gardenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05403418150146893599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-91751894231286533092013-02-16T11:23:56.774+13:002013-02-16T11:23:56.774+13:00This is so very interesting. I always thought the ...This is so very interesting. I always thought the photographer posed everyone as he/she saw was appropriate, height and girth obviously playing a role. Pleased to find out about Evernote as well. Helen Killeen Bauch McHarguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07042488205276127209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-23813867823725220612013-02-16T10:39:05.959+13:002013-02-16T10:39:05.959+13:00Very interesting post. I noticed in the 4th photo ...Very interesting post. I noticed in the 4th photo somehow had scribbled out the face of the seated man. Wonder what that was all about.<br />In the 1925 photo you could tell that traditions were becoming more relaxed as that girl in the front is sure relaxing. <br />My daughter is a wedding photographer. She uses 8mm film for her medium of choice, but always works with a still photographer so she will probably know if there is still a tradition in photos as to who stands where. I'll ask her.<br />NancyNorth County Film Clubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13683794164957833415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-83122491179712760522013-02-16T10:21:32.927+13:002013-02-16T10:21:32.927+13:00Now you have me wondering about the etiquette of w...Now you have me wondering about the etiquette of wedding photo arrangement. In my wedding photos, my family stood next to and around me, while my husband's family stood next to him. If we ever divorced, I suppose we could have cut the picture in half. HA!Wendyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17863357756727783017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-22884506195600798202013-02-16T08:07:56.534+13:002013-02-16T08:07:56.534+13:00This is interesting but at our wedding and most I ...This is interesting but at our wedding and most I have been to when it came to the photographs it was the photographer who decided who went where. All as far as I can remember had the groom and his family to the right. Of course these days inside the church it seems to be a case of an 'approved' video camera operator.Bob Scotneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00662958579705940009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-58878961610921667222013-02-16T07:44:51.964+13:002013-02-16T07:44:51.964+13:00A fascinating and absorbing post which got me look...A fascinating and absorbing post which got me looking back on my own wedding collection. Remember one of my early SS posts 'Wedding Day Delay'? There was a different reason in that one for the photograph not being taken on the actual day.Little Nellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11862657943846727987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-28381806799703033682013-02-16T05:46:01.106+13:002013-02-16T05:46:01.106+13:00Your selection of wedding photos, is wonderful. T...Your selection of wedding photos, is wonderful. Those flowers arrangements are beautiful, I wonder if they were very heavy.<br /><br />Thank you for all the information on how they decide who goes where in the family groupings.<br /><br />Excellent post, as usual.<br /><br />Kathy M.Oregon Gifts of Comfort and Joyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07171271956883698673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-44678890608390251882013-02-16T02:15:27.506+13:002013-02-16T02:15:27.506+13:00Excellent post. I never realized that wedding phot...Excellent post. I never realized that wedding photos could be so interesting.Postcardyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16399915833682943432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-51085955887725494042013-02-15T18:11:50.747+13:002013-02-15T18:11:50.747+13:00A brilliant post, Brett. I've often wondered h...A brilliant post, Brett. I've often wondered how wedding ceremonies evolved with religious practice and society conventions. This is a great method to work out the photographer's seating plan to make identification. I wonder if part of the hierarchical system relates to the elaborate royal ceremonies, especially the wedding of Victoria and her many children. <br /><br />At my wedding which was in London, my family was limited by the expense of travel to just my parents and my grandmother. And my father acted as my best man in our civil ceremony. Being also the official photographer, he attempted to photograph the official signing of the registry book, but was stopped by the registrar. We had to make do with a posed signing on a blank page of the book! Rules are rules, no flash photographs please. Mike Brubakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13065245846262417519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-91829852930854775042013-02-15T16:21:27.703+13:002013-02-15T16:21:27.703+13:00Great work Brett.
Now I'm off to check out th...Great work Brett. <br />Now I'm off to check out the Flickr set you mentioned.Boobookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01395043246338753023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-22700756351424070872013-02-15T10:31:34.822+13:002013-02-15T10:31:34.822+13:00I thoroughly enjoyed this post and like Alan I wil...I thoroughly enjoyed this post and like Alan I will store it. Usually I select the text, copy it to MS Word and produce a PDF based on that *.docx. I admit it is kind of devious but I don't mind doing that.<br />One remark about the date on the back of the Woolley-Hirst picture. Could that be the development/print date? That was the habit of many labs.<br />My collection of wedding pictures consists of 16 grooms to the right of the bride and four to the left. But all these picture just show the happy couple.<br />Great post, Brett!Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08512412669995490110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-50617061102689679842013-02-15T09:04:07.203+13:002013-02-15T09:04:07.203+13:00Alan - Thanks, and of course us in yours. I haven...Alan - Thanks, and of course us in yours. I haven't used Evernote, being more familiar with the academic research tool and citing software EndNote, but I must investigate.<br /><br />LisaB - Glad that you enjoyed them.<br /><br />Tony - Yes, I thought of that too. I think perhaps some clergymen still do not permit photographs to be taken inside the church. I didn't include any pst-1940s wedding photos, and I suspect you're right, there could be a trend away from such conventions, although in the former colonies the practice still seems to be alive and well.Brett Paynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07706734864792449845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-62790399274747848452013-02-15T05:38:57.580+13:002013-02-15T05:38:57.580+13:00It's interesting what you say about the lack o...It's interesting what you say about the lack of wedding photos <i>inside</i> the church.Maybe,as well as the lighting issues, photography was thought somehow 'profane'at one time?<br />As to groupings....I never considered that before.Maybe it's a sociological thing? As the importance of The Extended Family has declined ,so has it's 'ranking' in 'official' photographs?I would imagine,these days thought is usually only given to the prominence of the very immediate family?tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03746435400444226665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4599702957095945938.post-67630247654897545442013-02-14T03:03:03.635+13:002013-02-14T03:03:03.635+13:00Interesting research and lovely photos.Interesting research and lovely photos.Lisa Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562101358640638937noreply@blogger.com